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@MarkB just checking if you have seen the Assignment wall that exists which could help in the meantime?
This would be more for letting the student know what mark you intend to give them:
You can then click the 'Re-attempt' button to return the assignment:
The student will then see that they have a message:
And can then effectively see what score they would have got if the teacher hadn't given them another go (and are able to submit the updated version to hand in).
I know it's not exactly what you are after, but just making you aware of this potential workaround.
Cheers
Matt
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Hi Mark,
If you go to https://www.frogcommunity.com/ideas-portal it includes a form that lets you sign up for the ideas portal, as well as a link at the top to the portal itself.
I can add the idea to the portal, however ideas always seems to get more attention/votes when raised by schools themselves - which I can understand
If you can log the idea, don't worry too much about the detail I've added above, more just the problem that needs resolving.
Give me a shout either way - I think it will be a popular suggestion!
Cheers
Matt
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Hi @MarkB sorry I didn't specify that this won't work with the existing assignment workflow - as the end result of assigning to a group, and assigning to the group but with 'Convert to individuals' is that in the Markbook they will all appear in one column (Assignment). So the controls you get in the Assignment popover will apply to all of the students regardless:
Here is an assignment I have created for a group, but with 'Convert to Individuals' selected:
And in the Markbook application (both the Markbook and Assignment List view) it is all in the same Assignment still
So in the Assignment Marking screen they are all under the same column:
With only one 'Close Assignment' button:
I have tested to see if it does indeed reopen the Assignment for all students when you do it this way, and it still does (including the notifications getting resent).
So to clarify, the 'Convert to individuals' idea will not achieve anything with the current assignment workflow. We would need to look at this as an RFC - but I would think a more elegant solution to allow you to close assignments and reopen them on an individual basis (without tying 'Convert to individuals' into the solution) would be better.
Would you be okay to log that on the ideas portal Mark?
Cheers
Matt
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@MarkB sorry for the slow response!
Thanks for the suggestion, I think someone had already posted on another thread explaining why the Assignment mark release workflow was written the way it is (to stop students getting marks earlier, and then showing their peers what they need to do in order to get a better mark) however I see your point.
I think if we were to change the behaviour for releasing marks, I think tying it in with the 'Convert to Individuals' preference might be a bit confusing for most users. I will speak to my colleagues in the development team to see how else it could be handled.
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On 22/05/2019 at 07:32, pconkie said:
Maybe I’ve missed something, but can I offer an option C?
If there is a mark (including zero) count it in the average. If there is no mark (-) don’t.
Absent should definitely not count as zero. But if kid retrospectively does it, I’d like to leave the absent flag but enter a mark and have it count in the average.
@pconkie that is what B) is meant to be - just probably not worded well enough......
"B) If an assignment is 'Not Done' for a student, it is ignored for the Average Mark calculation"
So to give more context to that it means that if an assignment is finished with (Closed) - anything that doesn't have a mark, whether it be 'Handed in' with no mark, or 'Not Done' with no mark - would be ignored for the Average Mark calculation.
Just for further clarification, when an assignment is closed - ignoring the Absent / Late flags, an assignment can only be:
- 'Handed in' with a mark (Mark just shows)
- 'Handed in' with no mark (Green tick)
- 'Not Done' (Red cross) and any assignment that was anything but 'Handed in' before the assignment was closed, gets reverted to this on closing.
Therefore so far it looks like we've got one vote each on here for Option A - @ADT and then Option B/C - @pconkie - although it sounds like you are agreeing with both Adrian?
@adamw doesn't count
The logic for both makes sense! Which is making me lean towards catering for both of them (maybe a system preference option)...
Thanks for your feedback!!
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Another question for the great minds within the Frog forums!!
In the Markbook application a bug was identified where if an assignment had the status of 'Handed in or 'Not Done' it would count as 0 towards the Average Mark. For example:
The 'Handed in' (Green tick) behaviour is obviously wrong and we have a fix ready for it. However the school that raised the issue has argued that they feel the 'Not Done' counting as 0 towards the Average mark is how they would expect it to work (Not doing it is as bad as getting the worst mark possible for that assignment). However they would want one exception that is if the Assignment was 'Not Done' but has the 'Absent' flag on it:
Then this would not affect the average mark.
I'm thinking if one school would like it to behave this way, then there may be more.
Therefore here is my question to you guys, which of the following behaviour would you prefer:
A) ‘Not done’ should count as the lowest score possible for an assignment, unless the Absent flag is also applied – in which case the assignment will be ignored for the Average Mark calculation.
B) If an assignment is 'Not Done' for a student, it is ignored for the Average Mark calculation
For B), the thinking behind this is more for if schools want the Average Mark to solely look at marks for work that has been completed. As long as work is clearly highlighted as 'Not Done' in the Markbook / reporting - then the school can deal with work that hasn't been done separately (Detentions etc) - it doesn't need to affect the Average Mark.
Thanks!
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Sometimes I get to it too late and some one else has sorted it / answered the question
In which case this is me:
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Hi all!
We've currently got a decision to make in development (fixing a bug) on the best way of dealing with Form submissions where a user has either:
1) Submitted a form
2) Been picked in a form submission via the new 'User Picker' field
The bug is that if the user gets archived - you get an error when you try and EDIT the submission (viewing / exporting / deleting the submission seem to be okay, it is just editing that has the problem).
Rather than just making this decision without checking, I though it would be a good idea to get your opinions.
So which of these would you prefer:
A) Just fix it so that you can edit the submission (you can see which users are archived as the account will say _archived... so they will be distinguishable from existing users.)
B) When the user is archived, their submissions (from them / relating to them) are hidden from the dataviewer. (Are they no longer relevant?) If a user is archived accidentally / returns to the school - if they are unarchived the submissions will appear again!
Any other suggestions welcome!
Cheers
Matt
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@ADT yes unfortunately the Mark Scheme Manager app wasn't updated when we added the ability to import Mark Schemes from the MIS. Beforehand it was only manually created Markschemes that could be added, which wasn't too much of an issue with the limitations it has for doing things in bulk....
I can see you've added an idea for this which is great, it will be interesting how we do go about improving it - as at the moment I've seen on many platforms there are a lot of, what look like, duplicate Markschemes that get imported. If these suddenly all get turned on, then it might overwhelm staff when it comes to picking a Markscheme to use (in the cases where there are hundreds). We would have to look at improving that process of selecting a Markscheme for Assignments / Creating Markbooks, in the case where there are 100+ legitimate mark schemes to choose from.
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Hi Adrian, sorry I really need to check the forums more often!!
At the moment it is just looking at the overall assignment level - however if you can raise an idea on the portal for that I'm sure it will gather votes!
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@ADT I think you've already voted for this one, but for anyone else who hasn't - they can do so here: https://ideas.frogcommunity.com/ideas/FRG-I-308
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I can see it being the default in the eyes of the File Drop widget being used on a site, but yes it would be common sense to behave differently in the context of an assignment!
I'll add that one to the general Assignment improvements list! ?
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If anyone spots any ideas when on the ideas portal - which you think have already been released - just pop a comment on there and I'll change the status / confirm if that's not the case
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Hi George, sounds like a good idea!
It would be ideal if you could post this on the ideas portal and add a link on here for others to vote on. However if that's not possible give me a shout and I'll try and add it for you!
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Hi Adrian,
It appears that when you send a snap to a site, it creates a copy in your FrogDrive (My Documents) and then passes that accross to the site itself.
We have this idea on the ideas portal which has quite a few votes already which you can vote on: https://ideas.frogcommunity.com/ideas/FRG-I-381
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@ADT sorry no ticket was created, but a bug is being looked at by our dev team! It should be fixed in time for the main rollout next week, I'll see if it can be even sooner!
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@pconkie thanks for clarifying that - I have repped that issue on another platform too and have raised a bug (being able to access and create a Markbook based using inactive Markschemes). I wonder if this is what is causing issues with the 'Create Markbook' button not to be clickable too. We'll get that sorted ASAP so you only see your active Markschemes in that list, and fingers crossed it solves the other issue.
Hopefully it should just be a quick fix!
Also, that's great for the sorting issue - I think we will end up adding a User preference in the future, but the remembering the sorting order should be a quick win in the meantime!
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for getting on touch on here - it will be quite useful to answer these questions with other schools being able to see the responses too (with Markbook being so new)!
I'll go through each of the issues/questions by quoting the questions below (with my response).
The first 2 posts (about the Markschemes):
1.) I'm not sure why inactive Markschemes are still showing in the Markschemes selector - this component in the Markbook creator wizard should only be looking at active Markschemes (that have been turned on). I will take a look at your platform and see if I can find out what is happening here, and raise a bug if I can rep that.
2.) The Markbook creator only allows you to create a Markbook when it is happy with all of the parameters. It looks like it could be something odd going on with the Markscheme selected that is preventing it from accepting it. This explains why when you go to use the 'Create and Add to Markbook' button in the Assignment List (for an assignment that is 'Not in a Markbook', in the screenshot you showed one using the 'Percentage' markschemes - which definitely won't have any issues....... I'll try and rep this now and get back to you on it / raise a bug.
On 10/02/2019 at 12:12, pconkie said:Now that I have a markbook for a class. And considering we are half way through the academic year. How do i add previous assignments completed by this class into this markbook?
As Graham alluded to, it looks like there is an issue with the cycles and periods on your platform. With the introduction of the Markbook (Mozart release) we have added an element of FrogProgress, which brings in the concept of Cycles and Periods. Cycles are essentially Academic Years, and Periods are Half terms - you can see this new section in System Preferences > Assessment Cycles & Targets.
The Markbooks section of the Markbook app make use of these to allow Teachers to organise their assignments per Academic Year. Currently the Markbooks will show everything from this Academic Year - and we will be working on implementing an Academic Year roller later this Academic Year to allow schools to go back to previous years, in preparation for September. This will unfortunately mean that any assignments created before this Academic Year will not display in the Markbooks though (although you can still access them in the Assignments list / tab.
There is a script that runs when you get the Mozart release, which should add a default Academic Year with periods - running from September 18 to September 19 - however this doesn't look to have worked properly on your platform, as that is saying the Academic Year started last week! (which is why you're not seeing Assignments previous to that week appearing in the Markbooks). It looks like some schools MIS systems send through Academic Years, which are being stored in the database and conflicting with the script.
We've got a bug raised with this, and are looking to fix this for schools in general, however I have manually gone in and added the default Cycle and Period which the script should have done for you - so you should now see all of this year's (since the start of September) assignments in Markbooks.
On 10/02/2019 at 12:16, pconkie said:When switching between Open || Closed || Both assignments in the new mark-book, what is the default sort order on the Closed and Both tabs? Could it put most recent assignments at the top please?
We have gone with this order to encourage schools to keep on top of homework, and the ordering reflects the ordering in the MyFrog section (based on 'Due date' nearest at the top descending. From the schools we've spoken to already, they do share your opinion - particularly for the Closed Assignments.
Currently, if you click the 'Issue Date' column header at the top, it will sort the Assignments they way you want:
The problem is that currently you would need to do that each time you access the app (it doesn't remember).
Would a solution of ensuring this 'sorting' is remembered the next time you access the app (even if you log out) be good enough to solve this problem for you?
On 10/02/2019 at 12:20, pconkie said:Grading an assignment after the due date causes the app to mark the students submission as "L (Late)". You then have to click the L button to take this off. Unless they did hand it in late, in which case you have to remember not to take it off. Is this a bug? Because I would imagine most marking is done after the due date.
For this - there is the logic applied that if a student hands in the work themselves after the due date - it will be flagged as 'Late'. However when a teacher hands the work in on their behalf - it should never add the late flag unless they specifically click the 'late' button. Thanks for flagging this (excuse the pun) I have raised a bug and hopefully it can get sorted ASAP!
Hope this addresses all of the issues you mentioned! Let me know if not, or if you have any further questions.
Cheers
Matt
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Yeah - there are conversations going on around push notifications in Frog, however that is definitely a bug that anything is appearing for it already!
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@Graham Quince looks like it's one for you if our version is ok (launches PDF preview) but the FrogCode one is launching the old way which can't then be closed.......
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Hi @gbligh sorry for delay getting back to you (as mentioned on another post I've not been getting notifications from the forum when I'm getting mentioned!)
I have captured this suggestion for review, so when we are next looking at quick win bits of work - this will come up for discussion. It will be up to @Graham Quince to fight for this one then
It does seem like a common sense one however, as it makes no sense behaving the way it currently does.
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MyFrog requires iOS 10 or later. So any devices running older versions than that will not work.
What device / iOS version are you running @ADT?